Smart Sex, Smart Love with Dr Joe Kort

Dr. Laurie Betito on Sexual wellness

May 02, 2021 Dr Joe Kort Season 2 Episode 85
Smart Sex, Smart Love with Dr Joe Kort
Dr. Laurie Betito on Sexual wellness
Show Notes Transcript

Why don’t we talk about sexual pleasure? 
Why are teenage boys taking Viagra?
How can older adults continue to enjoy sex?

At the Pornhub Wellness Center, these questions – and dozens more – are discussed honestly and openly and backed by evidence-based facts. During a Smart Sex, Smart Love podcast, Dr. Joe Kort interviewed Laurie Betito, PhD, a clinical psychologist, sex therapist and Director of the Pornhub Wellness Center. The sexual wellness, sexual health and sexual education website was designed for people to learn about sex the right way. You won’t learn to drive by watching “The Fast and Furious;” why would you think you could learn about sex by watching porn, Dr. Betito asks.

Sadly, people – often kids – seek out porn sites for education. That is what they will get – porn education, not sex education. Kids are curious about sex because they are not learning it in school or from their parents, so they will find it with just a few clicks on their computer or phone. And adults watch porn and worry, “this isn’t happening with me. What am I doing wrong?”

During the Smart Sex, Smart Love podcast, Dr. Betito also talks about empowering people with their own sexual pleasure, having great sex into old age, and penetrative sex. People think if they are not having penetrative sex, they are not having sex. Sex needs a much wider definition. Sex is everything you do together that you wouldn’t do with your sibling. 

We are opening a door people don’t want to shut when it comes to learning about sex the right way. 

(Dr. Betito clarifies that Pornhub Wellness Center is a website for adults, not kids.)

Unknown Speaker  0:05  
Welcome to smart sex smart love. We're talking about sex goes beyond the taboos. And talking about love goes beyond the honeymoon. I'm Dr. Joe Cort. Thanks for tuning in.

Unknown Speaker  0:21  
My guest today is Dr. Laurie batido, a clinical psychologist, sex therapist and syndicated radio talk show host who has provided relationship love and life advice to listeners for more than two decades. She's also the director of porn hub Wellness Center, and the author of the sex Bible for people over 50. Today, we're going to be talking about sexual wellness. Welcome, Dr. Tito.

Unknown Speaker  0:44  
Thank you for having me.

Unknown Speaker  0:45  
Oh, I'm so excited to talk to you and somebody like you, who is a sex therapist and a therapist and all about sexual health. And I just think our listeners are going to learn a lot from you. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker  0:55  
It's my life's mission.

Unknown Speaker  0:58  
I can definitely see that. And you did a TED talk, too. I saw. Yeah. I

Unknown Speaker  1:01  
did a couple of TED Talks, too. Yep. Oh, a couple of

Unknown Speaker  1:04  
them. Great. Alright, so maybe we could just start with first question. Can you talk a little bit about the Pornhub? Wellness Center? What is that? Exactly.

Unknown Speaker  1:11  
So it's the Pornhub sexual Wellness Center. And that's a site that we started about four or five years ago, I was looking for a new project. So I've been on the air for actually more than 30 years now. But I was looking for a bigger reach. And I had we had a, I had some I worked with a producer who happened to know somebody at Pornhub. And they were looking to create some project that they get involved in the community. So they often do community based programs, right either to raise money for cancer of breast cancer awareness or things like that. So they were looking for a new project, I was looking for a greater reach. And we we met and came up with this Pornhub sexual Wellness Center. Basically, it's it's a site to that was designed for people who already go to Pornhub. So we wanted to be able to give them good solid evidence based education. Because we know we know that people turn to pornography to get their education, sadly, yeah. And we also know that what they're getting is not accurate. So this was a good way to, to kind of fill the gap. I know, we got a lot of flack at the beginning, you know, like, oh, a porn site, putting on sex education. But to me, it was like go where the people are? Yes, go where you can reach the people, you know. So it was a little bit like if you put a the Office of gambling addicts therapists downstairs from a casino. Yeah, you know, it's like, Okay, if you have a problem, here's the door, here's where you can go in and get some information. So I thought it was a perfect match.

Unknown Speaker  2:55  
I think it's brilliant. And, you know, yeah, people say, you know, me, it might attack for this, but then let's put sex education in the schools, let's have the parents responsibility to talk to their children about sex. And but they don't do this. And I have had people say to me, you can't do it either. Well, then who's going to do it? So someone's, and someone should do it. Or we're raising these, these people who I'm one of who had no sex education. And like you said, you go to porn for your education. And that's no education,

Unknown Speaker  3:24  
right? Which is scary. Because when you look at how young people actually go, and it's appalling, really, but we know that kids are curious. We know the word sex, like from a very young age, they want to know what it is they have a lot of questions. if nobody's answering those questions, and nobody is talking about this. They're a click away. Like they just get it anywhere, whether it's at their friend's house, or their own bedrooms with the door closed. You just don't know what your kids are looking at. But I can tell you, they're looking up, stuff like that. So if they're curious about I don't know, they even if they just punch in sex, just because they're curious. They're gonna get porn sites.

Unknown Speaker  4:05  
Yes, absolutely.

Unknown Speaker  4:06  
That is not where we want them to be.

Unknown Speaker  4:09  
how young are they? Do you know the stats of that? Oh, I

Unknown Speaker  4:12  
know that. Like at puberty age, and some some kids even before that have exposure. So a lot of them have been exposed indirectly, meaning they didn't mean to go on porn sites. They just happen to pop up somewhere else. So that happens quite a bit. But I'd say like puberty age, and you know, you're getting horny teenagers. They're looking, they're looking and they're curious. And so I'm thinking like, before they actually have sex. They're getting like, sometimes four or five, six years of porn education like that is that is not good.

Unknown Speaker  4:48  
Yeah. Oh, I never thought about it. I liked what you're saying that because instead of sex education, they're getting porn education, right? And that it becomes their sex education. Right,

Unknown Speaker  4:55  
right, which leads right into the problem I'm seeing in my practice. Which I have to say 20 years ago did not see was his performance anxiety and young men. You know, like when I started in this field 30 years ago, my average guy with erectile dysfunction was a 65 year old man. Today, my average man with erectile dysfunction is under 30.

Unknown Speaker  5:19  
So let me just say this people are gonna want to say, Well, that's because of porn. What do you say?

Unknown Speaker  5:24  
I say it's not because of porn. It's the the, let's look at this. So, yes, it's big, because of I don't want porn to be necessarily the big bad entity, right? And it's not just because I work for Pornhub. And I don't actually work for them. I do that that's a whole other site. So I'm not. I'm in a neutral zone. I can see the bad I can see the good and I write about both. Okay, so the majority of viewers, it's not problematic. They understand that it's fantasy. They understand that this is just a movie, you know, a movie. It's like, you're not going to learn how to drive by watching the Fast and the Furious. So most people know that right? Yeah. Okay. So that's most people, but then you have some people that may either have an addiction to porn, or any other sexual, you know, it's just that porn is so easy to get to. Then you have some that develop, just anxieties around their performance because they, let's say they already have like, let's say pre existing anxiety of some sort. But when they look at porn, they worry right? Like, I'm not as big as that guy. I feel so inadequate or I'm with a girl. How come she's not responding that way? How can my girlfriend isn't having an orgasm during penetration? All the girls in porn? Do? They don't know that 80% of women don't orgasm through penetration. But how would they know that when all they're watching is women doing a nine? With penetration?

Unknown Speaker  6:57  
Even in Hollywood movies? By the way, it's not just porn.

Unknown Speaker  6:59  
Yeah, I know. Exactly. And and even in romance novels, which frankly, those dirty romance novels are the equivalent to porn for women.

Unknown Speaker  7:08  
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for saying that. I say it all the time. I've never heard a woman say absolutely.

Unknown Speaker  7:14  
It's been our porn for decades.

Unknown Speaker  7:17  
Literature Have you ever heard that term?

Unknown Speaker  7:19  
Now? That's actually really good.

Unknown Speaker  7:21  
I love it. I like it.

Unknown Speaker  7:22  
But I remember as just even as a teen you know reading the steamy Jackie Collins novels or, or or I don't even remember some of the titles. Even Harlequin romance they even have like a triple x. Harlequin romance section, you know, so yeah, we've been at it for for a lot longer. It's just that we're not as visual and maybe it's a little more that there's more context for women. So yes,

Unknown Speaker  7:47  
yep. No, I love what you're saying. You know, I've recently started tik tok the last three months and I'm doing sexual health talking. And I taught my thing is straight men who have sex with men and sexual fluidity. And I get these parents that are on there. I'm assuming the parents they're like their children on this thing. They're you know, up care, you're giving misinformation your date endangering children. First of all, I think to myself, if you're the parent, put your goddamn parental controls on watch what your kids are watching. And I'm not saying anything that I wouldn't say to a child, I might say it a little differently. Maybe age development. But you know what I mean? It's like, instead of you taking control of your own child, then then then nobody does. And you're basically saying, we're trying to take control. So people get the right information as I'm doing.

Unknown Speaker  8:31  
Right. And here we are doctors professionals in the field, we're not just speaking for Yeah, we're not just trying to create some kind of sensational talk. We're actually wanting to give good information just so happens you and I use terminology, that is a clinical terminology. And you know, and we're using the right terms, but people freak out. It's still a taboo. Listen, I've been on the air for, you know, in Montreal for 22 years, a daily show on sex. I get the occasional person who thinks I'm the spawn of the devil, you know, for talking about sex, like turn off your goddamn radio, you know, you don't have to listen to me.

Unknown Speaker  9:11  
Right? I'm surprised it's only occasional that you're getting

Unknown Speaker  9:14  
Yeah, no, it's surprisingly only occasional in those 22 years, it has not been very frequent at all. I mean, you have your haters, you know, from different places, but they're not really much of a bother,

Unknown Speaker  9:27  
ya know, you're that's good. Maybe it's more on Tick Tock because they can hide behind their comments. I don't know. Yeah. But um, can you talk about pleasure, because this is not a topic discussed in sex education. And maybe you could speak to that and why that is

Unknown Speaker  9:41  
that you're right. So when people talk about when they're sex education in the schools, there's only so many hours that they can talk about sex right? So what do people mostly want? They want to make sure kids don't get pregnant. They want to make sure they don't catch STI is that that's what they want to make sure right. So they're talking now much and they have been for you Talking about STI prevention, you know, showing all those videos of disgusting looking genitalia that are, you know, infected. Yeah, kind of the scare tactics. Yes. But nobody talks about why do people have sex? Like, why are teenagers having sex? Because it feels good. So how about empowering people with their own pleasure? Yes. Right. So for me empowering even young women to say you don't need to have sex with somebody else you can, your body is yours, and you get to choose, and you can give yourself your own pleasure. And here's how or here's where your pleasure zones are, or go discover your pleasure zones. But you can take care of those those needs, right? If it just comes down to the sexuality, but nobody really talks about that. Thankfully, we're talking more about consent now. And that's really, really, really important. Because there was a time when that wasn't discussed. Absolutely. So these kinds of things need to be need to need to be talked about. And there's all kinds of other crazy stuff happening with youth who are, you know, young, young teenagers who are taking Viagra off the black market, because they want to enhance their sex like you guys think what is that about? You know, and part of that is drug use other drug use. So if you look at the rise of like MDMA or cocaine use or other stimulants, which reduce your ability to have an orgasm, to have an erection, then they go and take Viagra with it, then, you know, potentially causing death.

Unknown Speaker  11:32  
Right, and people don't understand how serious this is. And they then they'd rather say, Oh, my God, it's so serious and demonize you for being associated with Pornhub, then then demonize the fact that people, these kids have lack of information, and are doing things to harm themselves, because they don't know any better,

Unknown Speaker  11:48  
right. But I do want to qualify one thing, the Pornhub sexual Wellness Center is for adults, it is for people It has been made for adults, it is not there to educate teenagers, or anything of the sort. So we never publicize it outside of the site, where people already go to this is not a replacement for this is not this is, and I and I know that adults need education too. So you're not talking, we're not talking about kids. Here, we're talking about adults, who also are full of misinformation, and myths about sexuality, and who don't know their bodies who don't know their partner's bodies. All of these things are for the adult population. So I just want to make that make that clear, because it wasn't to replace like sex education elsewhere.

Unknown Speaker  12:37  
You know,

Unknown Speaker  12:38  
I'm so glad you're making that clear, because I could see people going down that route road while we're talking. Now.

Unknown Speaker  12:42  
This is not for teenagers to go, do you do not do? No, no,

Unknown Speaker  12:46  
no, I always think of my friend Doug Brown. Harvey, do you know him? No, I don't, oh, he's a really great sex educator has been around a long time. And he has this great line. And he says, when it comes to sex, the most uncomfortable person controls the room. And I love that I love it. Because it really is true, the most uncomfortable person starts to make the rules and makes things go poorly, all and when all we're trying to do is talk about sexual health. We're not trying to talk about it in non consensual ways. We're not talking about it in trafficking ways or abusive ways. We're talking about pleasure and pleasure, people have an allergic

Unknown Speaker  13:21  
reaction to pleasure. It's just still such a taboo subject because it's so private and personal. But the problem becomes that it's so private and personal, that so many people are left with feelings of being abnormal or questioning themselves, because they have no one to talk to. And because they don't, this is not a topic of conversation. Many times women will come to me and they will be they will be like so upset because they're not having orgasms through intercourse. And they think they should and my partner thinks I should and he says there's something wrong with me. And I think there's something wrong with me. And then I see them. I'm like, I give them the statistics. I tell them, you know, I find out sure they're having orgasms through masturbation and through oral sex, but yet they feel abnormal because they're not having orgasms through intercourse. So that's, you know, there you go. Somebody living with years of feeling abnormal? Yes. To find out that Oh, you mean 80% of the population is just like me. Yeah, that's normal.

Unknown Speaker  14:27  
Then what's happening is I'm talking about that kind of thing too on on Tick Tock. And then the women that do have orgasms visually are saying, No, that's what like people are saying that my opinion and my experience supersedes any research that anybody's done. It's becoming such an alpha stupid world. I can't even begin to tell you to say something just because you think it and feel it, you know?

Unknown Speaker  14:50  
Yeah, and you're right, because it happens to you. Well, good for you. You're the one of the lucky 25% I mean, you should be just grateful. But just because it happens to you doesn't mean happens to all your friends. All

Unknown Speaker  15:00  
right, don't shame these other women. So I want to I don't want to go too far without talking about your book because you've dedicated your career to sex and sexual health and your book, the sex Bible for people over 50. I want to hear about it. Why did you choose that topic, that generation?

Unknown Speaker  15:15  
Well, I chose that generation because that's my generation. So that was a little selfish about that. Thinking, all right, I'm 50 I'm looking around, All my friends are in the menopausal age. And it was a really good time to dig right in and see and make sure that we all have great sex into our old age. So and I think it This was an area of missing, there's some literature and some great people have written books on sex and aging. But there was some missing pieces here. And I wanted to do like a visual book, a book that couples can look at together, where there's pictures so that, you know, I don't want to I don't want to sound you know, a sexist, but Ben would still stay engaged if they could see some naked, anxious. I know it sounds terrible. And I say it out loud. But, but I know the reality, right?

Unknown Speaker  16:11  
Yeah. Sorry. I was just gonna say that. Absolutely.

Unknown Speaker  16:13  
Yeah, men are not the ones likely to pick up a self help book. So right. And I wanted to do it science based out providing the research and looking at what why it's important to continue to have sex into you know, into your old age, and what are the what are the challenges and how to overcome those challenges. So that's basically what the book is about. And, and I'm happy to report is done well, so it's, it's great. I also go around in in my in my city and others, but where I talk to seniors residences, where I go into retirement homes, where the average age is like 84, and I do the I do the talk, and I do a safe sex talk. Because every time I go into these homes, I speak to the nurses and the nurses, they're telling me that every time they draw blood, there's at least one case of gonorrhea or syphilis row, so or chlamydia. So this is why it's so important to continue to talk and not neglect the aging population thinking they're asexual, they are not asexual, there's a lot of romping going around in those seniors homes. So let's not neglect our older folks who are who in their minds are just as young, in their minds, their bodies may not function optimally. But they function and they're interested in sexuality, and they're having good sex.

Unknown Speaker  17:41  
I love that you're saying this because the older population, and I'm getting there to read I'm 58. Maybe I'm there, but I'm here to tell that we were neglected people don't like to think of older people as having sex.

Unknown Speaker  17:51  
Nope, they do not. Do you speak to kids? And nowadays, can you imagine your grandparents having sex? The immediate reaction is Oh, no way. So there's such an ick factor to it, which is quite sad, because frankly, the baby boomer population will be the biggest population on this planet, you know, this age group? Well, so we can't neglect that and we have to sex is about quality of life also, right? Because it's about pleasure. Yeah. Why would we deny pleasure? And why is it that we're not focusing on this? Why is it that physicians aren't asking their elderly clients? Hey, how's your sex life? You know, your house? How are things happening down there? How's your vagina feeling? And

Unknown Speaker  18:35  
yes,

Unknown Speaker  18:36  
so we need to be better at that and maybe educate even physicians and I, you know, I try to do my little part where I can speaking to physicians and residents and things, but on it needs to be done on a larger scale.

Unknown Speaker  18:50  
I agree. I do the same. And one thing I think it's important for people to hear and I think that's why, you know, people don't like to think about it or or worry about sex as you age, is because people are so always thinking about penetrative sex, right? p IV, sex, penis and vagina sex, penis and anus, sex, whatever it is for the gay male. And they forget that and I like these new memes that are going around and I have one to four play is sex. Sex does not have to include penetration, there's 1000s of other ways to be sexual, but nobody can wrap their head around that. What do you say to that? Well, I

Unknown Speaker  19:24  
there's a whole chapter in my book about that because we at some point, we have to redefine sex to become a much wider definition. Yeah, so you're right. The minute people hear the word sex, they think penetration. But for me, and I've always said this is sex is everything that you do together that you wouldn't do with your brother or your sister or, you know, so whether it's cuddling, naked, caressing all that is a part of sex. And if you talk to older people who can't have penetrative sex, boy, they're enjoying all kinds of wonderful sexuality. And they don't think they're not having sex, they are having sex. And if I talk to women who are Yeah, even young women who have vaginismus, for example, where penetration is not possible, they have fabulous sex lives nonetheless, with lots of pleasure. Just because there's no penetration does not mean there's no sex.

Unknown Speaker  20:19  
I've always wanted to write a book, and maybe I'll write an article and maybe I'll do a tick tock now, I don't know. But everything you can learn about good sex is from a lesbian lesbians. Oh, this they have penetrative sex. I'm not saying they don't. But they already know that they don't have to have an orgasm. It doesn't have to be genital focus.

Unknown Speaker  20:36  
There's so they're women. They get it, they get it. Exactly. And in fact, studies back that up that they do have the best sex.

Unknown Speaker  20:43  
Yeah, right. I know. I know. And it's like a secret. Like most people don't know that. A lot of things about sex is a secret, I think,

Unknown Speaker  20:52  
yes, still still taboo still in the closet. But thankfully, there are people who are like yourself and myself just out there, putting our butts on the line, actually, because we are, you know, we are opening a door that a lot of people want to see shut. So um, you know, it's nice to be able to just to speak and to speak openly about a subject that concerns the entire population of the world. When you think about it on that scale, right, like, everybody is sexual.

Unknown Speaker  21:28  
Yes. So what no one thing people are going to think about too, is alright, so functioning is one thing sexual functioning, but as you age, what about desire? What happens to that as you get older to men or women?

Unknown Speaker  21:39  
So there's a distinction to be made between desire and interest. So we may we may be very interested in sex, think about it get turned on when we read about things and what have you. What tends to happen, not for everybody, but for a lot, and especially women and men to a certain degree, is we lose the hunger for sex, like we don't need it as much or we don't. We're not driven by horniness, in the same way. But that doesn't mean we're not interested in sex. It just means that we need to create the conditions for ourselves in order to put ourselves in a position where we want, you know, where we can be sexual. So when you're young, you're driven by horniness, I'm horny, let's have sex. When you're older, you're driven by I want to connect with my partner, I want to feel pleasure, I want to do this with you. I want to relax, I want to we have all these other reasons that drive us into having sex with our partner, which may not may or may not have anything to do with just being learning.

Unknown Speaker  22:39  
Mm hmm.

Unknown Speaker  22:40  
That's really helpful. And then the difference between spontaneous sex and responsive site

Unknown Speaker  22:45  
exactly

Unknown Speaker  22:45  
right. And men become more responsive. It's so not talked about very much men can be just as responsive as women. But they're always thought about being spontaneous. Like they're walking around with trying to get their Deckard Oh, right. Exactly.

Unknown Speaker  22:57  
He's and and I see this in couples who's come to see me because half the couples I see, it's the man who has the low desire or the responsive desire, not the spontaneous desire, and the women are flummoxed. You know, they're like, I don't understand, like, shouldn't shouldn't all men be like, ready and willing, and I touch him? And Shouldn't he be? Like, why does he want me all the time? You know, why isn't he after me all the time. So there is a misunderstanding of how desire can work in individuals. And again, it has nothing to do with one's interest. And far more to do with just the way the way the way it actually is. And then we're using that information to be sexual rather than just avoid sex altogether.

Unknown Speaker  23:45  
Is there any other messages we have a few more minutes left any other messages or anything you want to make sure people hear about sex pleasure people over 50? The whole thing? Anything you want? Wow, that's

Unknown Speaker  23:56  
a big guy. No, I'm not I'm not even sure I just I want people to know that they are probably far more normal than they think. Okay. This is and it pains me It pains me. When I see people who have suffered for years thinking there's something wrong with them, when all they needed was a session with a you know, a sex therapist, a doctor, and they would have been okay, it would have been like, Oh, yes. So it really it really pains me when I see the suffering and people and sometimes just needless, needless suffering. So please reach out like we are here. We're now so many people are available now through through zoom and things like that. So we can help you know and and at least make sense of it. And sometimes it's a perspective that you need and sometimes it's a change of that perspective that you need. And that's all you need.

Unknown Speaker  24:58  
Is your radio. Show to Is it also air here in America or just Canada?

Unknown Speaker  25:02  
Well, starting in April, what's available on podcast as well. So actually, on my website are all the podcasts of all my past past shows, I've just stopped doing my nightly radio show I'm working going into another syndicated across Canada thing shortly. So it's just not up and running just yet, but sometime in April.

Unknown Speaker  25:25  
So how can people find more information about you your book and the Pornhub Wellness Center,

Unknown Speaker  25:30  
so everything is up on the on my website, which is Dr. Laurie calm, Dr. Li, EUR ie.com, the Pornhub sexual Wellness Center is at triple w.pornhub.com slash sex. I know it's when you do when you do that, you you bypass the sex, you bypass the porn and you get right to the wellness site. And we've just added some actual videos. They're real educational videos of real people doing real things to teach people how to put on a condom with an actual penis and how to you know how to negotiate STI use and all that stuff.

Unknown Speaker  26:10  
I just want to tell you how incredibly brave, I think you are that you are doing that justice work, but that you did team up with Pornhub for the Wellness Center. So because I know that a lot of sex therapists have been approached, I've had people tell me and I know that if I was approached, I might do it. But I would really have to think about it, because of the backlash that you could have gotten. But you're so committed, I would imagine just sexual health information, that that's why you're doing this. Absolutely. And actually, the

Unknown Speaker  26:37  
the responses have been far better than than they have been worse. And we have a huge team of doctors, practitioners, sex therapists, experts in the field who write for us. So we have a wonderful, wonderful team.

Unknown Speaker  26:53  
Also with us.

Unknown Speaker  26:54  
Awesome. You're a pioneer with your TED Talks. When people want to go look for those What are they on

Unknown Speaker  26:59  
there on YouTube that are all they have to do is my my name or they're also on my website. So there you can have access to them. But on YouTube, if you just Google Dr. Laurie TED talk, you will, you'll see I did one on pleasure. And I did one on sex and long term relationships.

Unknown Speaker  27:16  
Awesome. I have not had a minute to go look at your stuff. But I'm gonna definitely do it after today. Especially the one on pleasure, because that's such that's a newer thing we're talking about. And sadly, we haven't talked about it in store. Exactly. Exactly. All right. Well, thank you so so much. I mean it from the bottom of my heart. I just think this is such a great, you're a great resource. And I want to thank the listeners for joining us on smart sex smart love with Dr. Laurie petitto. And you can hear more of my podcast at smart sex smart love calm, and it's all over SoundCloud, and iTunes and all over. And it'll be on YouTube as well. And you can follow me on Twitter, tik tok, Instagram and Facebook. And you just have to go to at Dr. Jo port. It's at Dr. J. OEK Rt. And that's it. So thanks for listening, and I'll see you next time. Thanks for listening to this episode of smart sex smart love. I'm Dr. Joe Cort. You can find me on Joe court.com. That's jekrt.com See you next time

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